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		<title>Comment on Deep Green Resistance: Unearthing Racist Radical Feminism &amp; Transphobia From Within by HaifischGeweint</title>
		<link>http://haifischgeweint.wordpress.com/2013/05/17/deep-green-resistance-transphobia/#comment-2463</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 05:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First, I just want to directly address the idea that trans men somehow inherit magical privilege that isn&#039;t in any way context-dependent or conditional. That&#039;s more or less what you&#039;re saying, when you&#039;re arguing about trans men and male privilege the way you have in this comment. I already addressed that in detail of course, so maybe you could use a little more listening time and a little less arguing against what people are telling you, if you are aiming to be trans-inclusive.

Secondly, masculine-appearing (which can be relative) lesbian women are going to be socially interpreted by people who haven&#039;t worked through their sexist shit as Subjects, whereas feminine-appearing (which can also be relative) lesbian women are going to be socially interpreted by the same people as Objects. It&#039;s the same reason that when a cis male friend of mine is walking in public with a cis female friend, even if they are just friends, men will engage with him but not her. I have also experienced this directly, as well as a noticeable decrease in the sexual harassment I was subjected to while accompanied by virtually any guy (even if he was like my bro -- just a friend), because people who have work to do seem to interpret women accompanied by men as those men&#039;s &quot;territory&quot;. I&#039;m sure it&#039;s really fundamentally the same principle at work for femme and butch couples being approached by men who will only acknowledge or engage with the butch between the two of them.

Now that I&#039;ve been transitioning and becoming more ambiguous day-to-day, the quality of my experiences has become more and more inconsistent. I also protest in my underwear (I can still fill a D-cup bra), and find that I can directly address someone who has walked up to the group of us, and they&#039;ll simply carry on as if no one was talking to them. The point I&#039;m getting at here is that you&#039;re only paying attention to the parts of trans experience that you want to hear. That&#039;s not trans-inclusion.

Yes, I am just one person. No, I cannot reasonably expect to radically alter the sex/gender beliefs and perceptions of every person I encounter. But I&#039;m sure as hell changing a lot more as an out trans and genderqueer than I ever successfully challenged as a femme cis woman. I might even be giving people such as yourself just that much more voice, whereas without people like me expressing the kinds of experiences we have, maybe you&#039;d just be blatantly ignored like I still am when I&#039;m interpreted as a cis femme.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I just want to directly address the idea that trans men somehow inherit magical privilege that isn&#8217;t in any way context-dependent or conditional. That&#8217;s more or less what you&#8217;re saying, when you&#8217;re arguing about trans men and male privilege the way you have in this comment. I already addressed that in detail of course, so maybe you could use a little more listening time and a little less arguing against what people are telling you, if you are aiming to be trans-inclusive.</p>
<p>Secondly, masculine-appearing (which can be relative) lesbian women are going to be socially interpreted by people who haven&#8217;t worked through their sexist shit as Subjects, whereas feminine-appearing (which can also be relative) lesbian women are going to be socially interpreted by the same people as Objects. It&#8217;s the same reason that when a cis male friend of mine is walking in public with a cis female friend, even if they are just friends, men will engage with him but not her. I have also experienced this directly, as well as a noticeable decrease in the sexual harassment I was subjected to while accompanied by virtually any guy (even if he was like my bro &#8212; just a friend), because people who have work to do seem to interpret women accompanied by men as those men&#8217;s &#8220;territory&#8221;. I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s really fundamentally the same principle at work for femme and butch couples being approached by men who will only acknowledge or engage with the butch between the two of them.</p>
<p>Now that I&#8217;ve been transitioning and becoming more ambiguous day-to-day, the quality of my experiences has become more and more inconsistent. I also protest in my underwear (I can still fill a D-cup bra), and find that I can directly address someone who has walked up to the group of us, and they&#8217;ll simply carry on as if no one was talking to them. The point I&#8217;m getting at here is that you&#8217;re only paying attention to the parts of trans experience that you want to hear. That&#8217;s not trans-inclusion.</p>
<p>Yes, I am just one person. No, I cannot reasonably expect to radically alter the sex/gender beliefs and perceptions of every person I encounter. But I&#8217;m sure as hell changing a lot more as an out trans and genderqueer than I ever successfully challenged as a femme cis woman. I might even be giving people such as yourself just that much more voice, whereas without people like me expressing the kinds of experiences we have, maybe you&#8217;d just be blatantly ignored like I still am when I&#8217;m interpreted as a cis femme.</p>
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		<title>Comment on SlutWalk Vancouver, Year Three: An Open Call To Boycott This White Settler Privilege Parade by Leslie Melnyk</title>
		<link>http://haifischgeweint.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/slutwalk-vancouver-year-three-an-open-call-to-boycott-this-white-settler-privilege-parade/#comment-2462</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leslie Melnyk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 05:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Viral is always good - it inspires conversation from a broader group!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Viral is always good &#8211; it inspires conversation from a broader group!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Deep Green Resistance: Unearthing Racist Radical Feminism &amp; Transphobia From Within by Pseudotsuga</title>
		<link>http://haifischgeweint.wordpress.com/2013/05/17/deep-green-resistance-transphobia/#comment-2461</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 05:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hate DGR, but I&#039;m still a (trans-inclusive) radical feminist. I disagree with you about not gaining privilege by appearing as a male (ie, what patriarchy defines as male). Although people still refer to you with the wrong pronouns, it is pretty easy to see how a person can pick up privilege if they pulled it off completely: to the system, they would signify a male, and this is how power/legitimacy is distributed in patriarchy, by how people appear, not biological status. 

Another example is a lesbian couple I know. One appears more masculine and the other more feminine. When they encounter men, the male will respond and communicate with the male-appearing person more than the feminine appearing person. This is a occurrence of how patriarchy operates; it ascribes legitimacy to those who appear masculine, and degrades those who appear feminine. In other words, masculine appearing people have more legitimacy in patriarchy. 

So, I don&#039;t think it will ever be enough to transition into stereotypical (sexist) categories of male and female, for it is the conception of gender itself that is propping up patriarchy. I think folks should fuck with gender, but not in a way that reconfirms &quot;female&quot; is trraditionally feminine. I want gender-fucking to promote androgyny. Gender should be abolished so these signifiers are not available to socially subordinate &quot;women&quot; and privileging &quot;men.&quot; Compared to radical feminism, your strategy is less systemic and less-likely to uproot patriarchy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate DGR, but I&#8217;m still a (trans-inclusive) radical feminist. I disagree with you about not gaining privilege by appearing as a male (ie, what patriarchy defines as male). Although people still refer to you with the wrong pronouns, it is pretty easy to see how a person can pick up privilege if they pulled it off completely: to the system, they would signify a male, and this is how power/legitimacy is distributed in patriarchy, by how people appear, not biological status. </p>
<p>Another example is a lesbian couple I know. One appears more masculine and the other more feminine. When they encounter men, the male will respond and communicate with the male-appearing person more than the feminine appearing person. This is a occurrence of how patriarchy operates; it ascribes legitimacy to those who appear masculine, and degrades those who appear feminine. In other words, masculine appearing people have more legitimacy in patriarchy. </p>
<p>So, I don&#8217;t think it will ever be enough to transition into stereotypical (sexist) categories of male and female, for it is the conception of gender itself that is propping up patriarchy. I think folks should fuck with gender, but not in a way that reconfirms &#8220;female&#8221; is trraditionally feminine. I want gender-fucking to promote androgyny. Gender should be abolished so these signifiers are not available to socially subordinate &#8220;women&#8221; and privileging &#8220;men.&#8221; Compared to radical feminism, your strategy is less systemic and less-likely to uproot patriarchy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on SlutWalk Vancouver, Year Three: An Open Call To Boycott This White Settler Privilege Parade by Leslie Melnyk</title>
		<link>http://haifischgeweint.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/slutwalk-vancouver-year-three-an-open-call-to-boycott-this-white-settler-privilege-parade/#comment-2460</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leslie Melnyk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 05:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like  all those names - &quot;Consent is Sexy&quot; in particular &#039;cause I tend to personally be in the pro-sex camp..but I actually I don&#039;t see the problem with putting the incumbent name on a poll...I guess I really needed to be at those talks to see why people are so incensed. 

There are so many facets of privilege and oppression out there.  It is hard to know where to start for me...&quot;at the talk it was decided there would be an online poll&quot;. First of all you have to be able to make the time to get to the talk, and secondly you have to have internet access to participate.  

Organizing events is difficult for me (I do a lot of local food activism in Corvallis, Oregon)...I&#039;m looking at this conversation to help make my events better and more inclusive.  I haven&#039;t gotten any backlash yet, but maybe that is because some people don&#039;t feel like they have a voice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like  all those names &#8211; &#8220;Consent is Sexy&#8221; in particular &#8217;cause I tend to personally be in the pro-sex camp..but I actually I don&#8217;t see the problem with putting the incumbent name on a poll&#8230;I guess I really needed to be at those talks to see why people are so incensed. </p>
<p>There are so many facets of privilege and oppression out there.  It is hard to know where to start for me&#8230;&#8221;at the talk it was decided there would be an online poll&#8221;. First of all you have to be able to make the time to get to the talk, and secondly you have to have internet access to participate.  </p>
<p>Organizing events is difficult for me (I do a lot of local food activism in Corvallis, Oregon)&#8230;I&#8217;m looking at this conversation to help make my events better and more inclusive.  I haven&#8217;t gotten any backlash yet, but maybe that is because some people don&#8217;t feel like they have a voice.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Deep Green Resistance: Unearthing Racist Radical Feminism &amp; Transphobia From Within by The Crimes Of Colonialism Sides With Deep Green Resistance &#124; HaifischGeweint</title>
		<link>http://haifischgeweint.wordpress.com/2013/05/17/deep-green-resistance-transphobia/#comment-2459</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Crimes Of Colonialism Sides With Deep Green Resistance &#124; HaifischGeweint]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 05:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] declares solidarity with Deep Green Resistance (DGR), with specific emphasis on DGR&#8217;s gender bashing standpoint: that trans and gender-diverse people don&#8217;t exist, on the basis that their gender identities [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] declares solidarity with Deep Green Resistance (DGR), with specific emphasis on DGR&#8217;s gender bashing standpoint: that trans and gender-diverse people don&#8217;t exist, on the basis that their gender identities [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on SlutWalk Vancouver, Year Three: An Open Call To Boycott This White Settler Privilege Parade by HaifischGeweint</title>
		<link>http://haifischgeweint.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/slutwalk-vancouver-year-three-an-open-call-to-boycott-this-white-settler-privilege-parade/#comment-2455</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HaifischGeweint]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 01:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah. This kind of information needs to go pretty much viral.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. This kind of information needs to go pretty much viral.</p>
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		<title>Comment on SlutWalk Vancouver, Year Three: An Open Call To Boycott This White Settler Privilege Parade by Allister Parker</title>
		<link>http://haifischgeweint.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/slutwalk-vancouver-year-three-an-open-call-to-boycott-this-white-settler-privilege-parade/#comment-2454</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Allister Parker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 00:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another fun fact on that front:  at Slut Talk (an event held before last year&#039;s march, intended to be a place where the name-change could be discussed) it was agreed upon that they would change the name, do an online poll, and use the results to decide what banner to march under.  However, when the poll was put up?  The original name of Slutwalk was INCLUDED in the  voting options... it was problematic, for all the reasons spoken about in this thread:  https://www.facebook.com/slutwalkvancouver/posts/369025296495669

But yeah, it&#039;s too bad they organizers have decided to dig in their heels (yet again)... another year, and another lost opportunities to build solidarity with other communities, that&#039;s for sure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another fun fact on that front:  at Slut Talk (an event held before last year&#8217;s march, intended to be a place where the name-change could be discussed) it was agreed upon that they would change the name, do an online poll, and use the results to decide what banner to march under.  However, when the poll was put up?  The original name of Slutwalk was INCLUDED in the  voting options&#8230; it was problematic, for all the reasons spoken about in this thread:  <a href="https://www.facebook.com/slutwalkvancouver/posts/369025296495669" rel="nofollow">https://www.facebook.com/slutwalkvancouver/posts/369025296495669</a></p>
<p>But yeah, it&#8217;s too bad they organizers have decided to dig in their heels (yet again)&#8230; another year, and another lost opportunities to build solidarity with other communities, that&#8217;s for sure.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Defenders of the Land, Patriarchy and Pacifism by HaifischGeweint</title>
		<link>http://haifischgeweint.wordpress.com/2013/05/15/on-defenders-of-the-land-patriarchy-and-pacifism/#comment-2452</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HaifischGeweint]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 22:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree completely. There&#039;s no room for colonial baggage in a social justice movement. So I thank you for writing that piece. It takes gumption to take a stand at the risk of being alone in it -- but you are definitely not alone on this one. Solidarity and respect. O siem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree completely. There&#8217;s no room for colonial baggage in a social justice movement. So I thank you for writing that piece. It takes gumption to take a stand at the risk of being alone in it &#8212; but you are definitely not alone on this one. Solidarity and respect. O siem.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Defenders of the Land, Patriarchy and Pacifism by Enaemaehkiw Túpac Keshena</title>
		<link>http://haifischgeweint.wordpress.com/2013/05/15/on-defenders-of-the-land-patriarchy-and-pacifism/#comment-2451</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Enaemaehkiw Túpac Keshena]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 21:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for re-blogging. It&#039;s incredibly important that the rampant hetero-patriarchy and state-cooperation of the male leadership of IEN and DOTL, not to mention the suppression of the voices of onkwehón:we wimmin, is outed (so-to-say) and tackled. Also, great site.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for re-blogging. It&#8217;s incredibly important that the rampant hetero-patriarchy and state-cooperation of the male leadership of IEN and DOTL, not to mention the suppression of the voices of onkwehón:we wimmin, is outed (so-to-say) and tackled. Also, great site.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Deep Green Resistance: Unearthing Racist Radical Feminism &amp; Transphobia From Within by HaifischGeweint</title>
		<link>http://haifischgeweint.wordpress.com/2013/05/17/deep-green-resistance-transphobia/#comment-2450</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HaifischGeweint]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 19:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gracias!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gracias!</p>
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